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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:13 pm

Pretty sure Libertarian Bob Barr is still running, actually.
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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:31 pm

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Did I mention I don't want to vote for either McCain or Obama?
Why?

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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:43 pm

Worth mentioning that Bob Barr is a former Republican and pretty similar to John McCain, by the way.

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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:49 pm

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Did I mention I don't want to vote for either McCain or Obama?
Why?

Quite simply because I don't like them. I don't see a solid plan from either of them, just ideas. Part of it is also not knowing my own opinion on a lot of issues, and I don't want to be one of those "single-issue voters."

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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:56 am

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Did I mention I don't want to vote for either McCain or Obama?
Why?

Quite simply because I don't like them. I don't see a solid plan from either of them, just ideas. Part of it is also not knowing my own opinion on a lot of issues, and I don't want to be one of those "single-issue voters."
To be fair, even if they had the most detailed plans, down to exactly how much money will be spent on each thing, it's still just ideas. Most of the stuff these guys promise will never come to fruition, because congress is set up in a way to kill most radical ideas. (for instance: That's why SS is still going strong despite Bush saying we were totally going to kill it)

So, that's why you should vote on the ideas, and who the person is, and what they stand for. Because more important than promises is the ideology they're going to bring to the white house.

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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:52 am

Tonight was debate #1. I thought Obama came off as though yes, he does know what he's doing.

Bonus: After McCain insisted that Kissinger does not support meeting foreign leaders without preconditions, Katie Couric said in CBS' wrap up talking-head-ery that she asked Kissinger about the topic for her interview with Sarah Palin (which scared the shit out of me, incidentally), and his response was yes, he does support meeting foreign leaders without preconditions.

The Veep debate is this upcoming Thursday. It's going to be a goddamn massacre.

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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:55 pm

I thought it was funny how the moderator tried for the entire time to get them to start yelling at each other.

Really he was like "Reply to Mr. Obama's claim directly. There was a lot of "This is a misrepresentation and you know it"'s going around, and a lot of misrepresentative claims from BOTH sides. (McCain supporters think that his "Are you just going to go up to teh guy who says he wants to destroy Isreal and say "no, you can't?"" dig was a solid blow, but I think Obama's "You're really going to condemn me for talking about using force in Pakistan when you SANG A SONG ABOUT BOMBING IRAN" was better, if more subtle.)

As far as issues go, they seemed to pretty much be on the same page. The funny thing is though, it's a page that Obama's always been on, and McCain seems to have recently turned to, as far as the economy is concerned. And as far as the military is concerned, McCain kept saying Obama doesn't understand, but Obama seems to understand exactly what's going on, and McCain never really explained why Obama was wrong with anything more than "I'm more experianced so I know" (he did this one bit where he talked about historical lessons, but then his point sort of vanished at one bit, and he just said "I've been there, I know stuff")

All in all I don't think this debate is going to change any minds. We just need to vote already because the lines seem pretty definitively drawn.

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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:25 pm

I'd be perfectly fine with waiting until after next Thursday. =3
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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:40 am

I guess that since Sarah Palin didn't projectile-vomit on anybody during the debate, she won? That's what Joe Lieberman's trying to say to Katie Couric, anyway.

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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:32 am

Debate 2 was uneventful. There's videos all over YouTube of McCain/Palin supporters at McCain/Palin rallies calling Obama treasonous/a terrorist. And now, the Alaskan panel in charge of the firing thing said Palin abused her authority.

What now, my friends? What now?

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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:28 am

Obama has a 6-10% lead in the polls. The popular consensus is that McCain won't win unless the economy recovers in a month.

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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:31 am

(I mailed my absentee ballot for Obama today toot)

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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:09 pm

What state?
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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:12 pm

Ohio.

In one of the counties that went for Kerry and Gore in the last two elections, even.

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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:52 pm

The "Joe the plumber" mentioned ad nauseum in last night's debate apparently lives pretty close to me. Also apparently he doesn't know how taxation works, as he's buying a company for over $250,000, and expecting to earn much less, meaning he'd get more of a tax cut under Obama. More importantly, it seems he's got liens filed against him for not paying taxes.

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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:19 pm

So what does he care about Obama's tax cuts, right? He's not paying them anyway. :p
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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:02 am

I may hate using "gate" as a suffix for political scandals/pseudo-scandals, but "Sartorial-Flare-Gate" is perhaps the most hilarious name I've heard for this stupid shit.

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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:22 am

Heaven forbid anyone think of spending some of that money on winter clothes for the poor.
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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:49 pm

Yeah, but what the RNC did there is actually perfectly legal, and they're going to donate all the clothes to charity after the election they said (because Palin won't need them? Does that mean they think they'll lose?)

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PostSubject: Re: John McCain vs. Barack Obama   Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:56 pm

Oh, I didn't say it was illegal or anything. I just think it's silly to spend so much on clothes, and I think helping the poor is a good campaign move.
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